The first Yeti coolers arrived in America within the spring of 2008. They had spent weeks at sea, touring from a manufacturing facility within the Philippines to a leased warehouse within the hills south of Austin, Texas. Molded from a single piece of plastic, the coolers have been porcelain white, with two black latches that gave them the rugged, field-ready look of an outdated Willys Jeep.
The 65-quart mannequin of the cooler, the Yeti Tundra, was thrice sturdier than lesser manufacturers, and retailed for round $300. If you place a block of ice in a single on a Monday, the payload would nonetheless be chilly that Friday. Stout sufficient to face up to the prying jaws of a grizzly bear, the Tundra additionally appeared proper at house in your yard on recreation day, a pair dozen Lone Star beers as much as their necks in slush. It was maybe the best ice field within the historical past of humankind.
Demand for the Tundra rapidly exceeded expectations. Before lengthy, a transport container’s price of the coolers was arriving from the Philippines each week.
Two years had handed since Roy and Ryan Seiders (pronounced SEE-ders) launched Yeti out of their father’s yard, only a few miles down the street from the warehouse. Roy, 31 and recent out of enterprise college, was the corporate’s pioneer with a ardour for product improvement. Ryan, three years older, was the outdoorsman of the household. Scruffy and charming, he made the rounds at looking and fishing exhibits, and lent Yeti its backwoods authenticity.
But the Seiders brothers did not create the Tundra alone. They borrowed design tips and styling from one of the best coolers in the marketplace. And they introduced all of it along with the assistance of a collaborator who seldom makes an look within the firm’s legend — Ivan Royal Brown, a gifted Australian designer who produced the Yetis at his Outback Five Star manufacturing facility within the Philippines. During these early months of 2008, Roy and Ivan spoke every day, understanding the kinks within the new cooler and fine-tuning its manufacture on the fly.
One day that September, Roy emailed Ivan a query. When he did not obtain an instantaneous response, he grew involved. “It wasn’t like him,” Roy remembers. He ultimately managed to get in contact with Ivan’s new spouse, Gloria, who broke the surprising information: Ivan had been murdered, she stated, shot 4 occasions whereas driving house from the manufacturing facility.
Roy put down the cellphone and felt sick to his abdomen. Not solely had he misplaced his buddy and mentor, however the way forward for his new firm was now in jeopardy. “We did not have a complete lot of confidence that we might transfer ahead with out him,” he remembers.
As the brothers grappled with the fallout from the tragedy, issues grew much more dire. Ivan had died with no will, and it wasn’t clear who was in cost on the manufacturing facility, placing the complete manufacturing line in jeopardy. Six months after Yeti’s launch, it appeared as if the cooler would vanish from retailer cabinets simply as all of a sudden because it had arrived.
Today, Yeti is price $3.5 billion. This is the untold chapter of one of many nice success tales in American enterprise, and the way it was very almost stopped in its tracks.
Cold issues do not stay chilly for lengthy within the Texas Hill Country. Summer right here begins in April, when porch thermometers hit the 90s. For the subsequent six months, you can fry a tortilla in your dashboard and dip it within the sizzling queso in your cup holder. If you are out working in that warmth, all you’ll be able to take into consideration is your subsequent ice-cold drink.
At the Seiders’ house in Driftwood, 20 miles southwest of Austin, Roger — the household’s 79-year-old patriarch — retains a fridge out again stocked with chilly drinks for the UPS drivers once they cease by with a supply. “They can have something they need, apart from beer,” Roger tells me one afternoon as we rock in a swinging chair, watching a parched driver make his strategy to the fridge. That’s Texas hospitality for you. It’s one thing Roger all the time tried to instill in his 4 youngsters, together with Ryan and Roy.
The brothers have been Texans earlier than the state of Texas existed. Eight generations later, their title nonetheless means one thing to old-timers. “When they determine to construct one thing, it is prime shelf, one of the best you will get,” says Jay McBride, who runs the fishing division at McBride’s Guns, an Austin establishment since 1960.
Back in 1977, when Roger was working as a highschool store teacher, his seek for a versatile epoxy end that would not crack on his fishing rods led him to begin his personal enterprise. Today, Flex Coat sells as much as $1 million of product annually. “I by no means dreamed it could be so massive,” he says.
Just like their outdated man, Ryan and Roy liked to brainstorm methods to enhance the merchandise they depended upon. After Ryan graduated from Texas A&M in 1996 with a level in wildlife administration, he began a specialty fishing rod firm, Waterloo Rods, in Roger’s yard store. The 10-foot Launcher might fling a line over 100 yards, whereas the Scrape Rod was powerful sufficient for fishing in thick grass. Fishing celebrities like Flip Pallot, host of “The Walker’s Cay Chronicles” on ESPN, would cellphone Ryan up for gear recommendation and invite him out turkey looking.
After Roy accomplished his diploma in administration data techniques at Texas Tech, he, too, returned to the Austin space decided to comply with in his father’s footsteps. “I had this ardour for desirous to do one thing alone like my dad,” he tells me. “I knew I wished to begin my very own enterprise.” He liked being out on his boat, and he turned preoccupied with designing a cooler that might double as a casting platform — one sturdy sufficient to face up to his adrenaline-charged type of fishing.
The greatest coolers in the marketplace got here from Australia, the place packing up the Land Rover and “going bush” was a nationwide pastime. While American coolers have been usually manufactured by injecting melted plastic right into a static mould, high-end Australian coolers — “eskies” in Aussi slang — deployed a method referred to as rotational molding, which produced stronger coolers with extra advanced designs and fewer materials flaws.
The closest approximation to an eskie you can discover in American shops was the Icey-Tek. Roy tracked down the person who was importing them from Thailand and prompt they crew up. But he wound up being extra impressed with the cooler than along with his new enterprise associate. So he determined to associate with Ryan and strike his personal import cope with the producers of Icey-Tek. Ryan invested $130,000, and the brothers shared an electronic mail tackle and a single desk. To model their cooler, they appeared for a reputation that may evoke a harsh terrain — and that may look good on a hat or a T-shirt.
Yeti, they might name it — as within the Himalayan ice monster. “We might not have discovered the Yeti,” they wrote on their web site, “however we make a very nice ice-chest.”
And it was an incredible ice chest. But it was a far cry from good. The unique Yeti, which the brothers referred to as the Roughneck, was boxy and utilitarian. The sharp corners have been no enjoyable to bang a knee on. Some of the coolers had a puzzling purple stain on the underside.
That’s when Ivan Brown entered the image.
In 2006, the Seiders brothers traveled to Thailand to see the manufacturing of their coolers up shut. The disappointing outcomes all of a sudden made sense. Production was sloppy and haphazard. Workers on the manufacturing facility have been plopping recent coolers onto the purple grime ground, which defined the stains.
As the brothers tried to determine learn how to repair the issue, the title they stored coming again to was Ivan, an Aussie designer whose work was a reduce above everybody else they knew. From his manufacturing facility within the Philippines, he might manufacture a cooler or a kayak or a truck camper shell at a fraction of what it could price in America. So Roy and Ryan arrange a gathering and hopped on a flight from Bangkok to Manilla. Within hours they have been in a automobile with Ivan, driving south towards his manufacturing facility in Angeles City.
Ivan “was a terrific designer, however hopeless in enterprise,” his brother Malcolm remembers. “Every greenback Ivan earned, he spent two.”
After the manufacturing facility tour in Thailand, Ivan’s manufacturing line was a welcome sight. Cement flooring meant no extra purple stains. Like the Roughneck, Ivan’s Downunder coolers have been constructed from a single piece of plastic, for power. But in addition they had rounded-off corners and different considerate options, reminiscent of rubber toes to forestall them from sliding on a ship deck and a detachable basket to maintain meals from getting moist.
What’s extra, Roy and Ryan acknowledged a kindred spirit. Ivan was the type of man who loved being outside, and he wished to make stuff that labored, stuff you can move on to your youngsters. And, like Yeti, his was a household enterprise.
Ivan had been in his 50s when he decamped for the Philippines, searching for a brand new begin. Back in Australia, he had launched a enterprise manufacturing auto equipment, together with fiberglass tops for vans. “He was a risk-taker,” remembers his first spouse, Suzanne Handley. His self-confidence solely grew when he obtained a patent for a flip-up sunroof he had created, which might go on to obtain a prestigious Australian design award.
The drawback was, Ivan had a behavior of dwelling past his means. He had a factor for flashy watches and good eating places. “The extra you earn, the extra you want,” he favored to inform his eldest daughter, Clare. He ran up so many money owed that tax collectors and collectors spent years pursuing him in Queensland courts. “He was a terrific designer, however hopeless in enterprise,” says Malcolm, Ivan’s youthful brother.
Like Roy and Ryan, Ivan and Malcolm have been tight. Malcolm, who made a small fortune in trucking, supported Ivan via the lean occasions. The two brothers purchased houses going through one another at a marina on the outskirts of Brisbane. “I might look into his kitchen,” Malcolm says.
Amid his monetary troubles, Ivan’s marriage to Suzanne disintegrated, and the separation left a wedge between him and his daughters. The Philippines, which had a thriving Australian expat neighborhood and beneficiant tax advantages for international entrepreneurs, provided an opportunity to begin over.
But it was additionally a harmful place to do enterprise. The homicide price was 4 occasions larger than in Australia, and it was stated {that a} killer might be employed for as little as $500. Filipino police and prosecutors tended to favor the well-connected, and lots of expats opted to stay in gated communities below 24-hour safety.
Ivan satisfied Malcolm to hitch him. Divorced and tired of life in Queensland, Malcolm jumped on the likelihood for an journey — and, maybe, to make one other fortune. In 1999, the brothers signed the papers establishing Outback Five Star. The firm’s articles of incorporation listed Ivan as president and Malcolm as vp. Each acquired an equal share within the enterprise, splitting 99.2% of the inventory.
Malcolm signed the lease on Outback’s manufacturing facility, an extended steel constructing with a peaked roof. It was situated on the Clark Freeport, a former US army base in Angeles City that had been remodeled right into a tax-free zone.
Angeles City, the vice capital of the Philippines, was a dizzying wonderland the place you all the time needed to be wanting over your shoulder.
But the corporate struggled to outlive. From 2004 to 2006, in accordance with monetary data, it misplaced almost $150,000. “Every greenback Ivan earned, he spent two,” Malcolm remembers. “It acquired so tight that we have been making cello instances to outlive.” Since Ivan was primarily bankrupt, Malcolm needed to faucet his private funds to cowl payroll and purchase gear.
By the time the 2 brothers from Texas confirmed up on Outback’s manufacturing facility ground, the 2 brothers from Australia have been barely scraping by.
On that preliminary go to, the straight-laced Seiders brothers weren’t precisely taken with Angeles City. As a lot as Roy loved Ivan’s firm, he was grateful Ryan was with him. “I used to be not about to go to the Philippines on my own,” he remembers. Angeles City was the Wild East, the vice capital of the Philippines, a dizzying wonderland the place you all the time needed to be wanting over your shoulder.
Malcolm might see how uncomfortable Roy and Ryan have been one humid night when Ivan took them out to the Tom Cat, a seedy nightclub Malcolm owned on a neon-lit road often known as “Blow Row.” Like many expat hangouts, the Tom Cat swarmed with bikini-clad ladies and white-haired males. Foreigners in search of intercourse would pay $20 to escort ladies to a extra intimate setting, the place additional transactions may ensue.
Malcolm is not shy about admitting that income from the intercourse commerce helped maintain Outback afloat. He insists that the ladies at his bars have been of age and there of their very own free will, however tales of intercourse trafficking are widespread within the Philippines. “Everybody portrays it as a sleazy enterprise,” Malcolm says. “But I checked out it because the matchmaking enterprise.”
According to Malcolm and different relations, it was below such circumstances that Ivan met his future spouse, Gloria. In October 1998, Malcolm was celebrating his forty eighth birthday on the Firehouse, a bar in Manila’s red-light district. Gloria, then a single mom, was there that night time. Ivan purchased Gloria a drink and, by Malcolm’s telling, took her to Swagman’s, an Australian-themed resort close by, the place they spent the night time.
To those that witnessed their courtship, there was little question that Ivan was enamored of Gloria. “She was the one woman I ever noticed him with,” says Bryan Hammer, an American businessman who assisted Ivan and Malcolm in establishing Outback. But Hammer puzzled if the sensation was mutual. “She was imply to him, even in public.”
As Ivan and Gloria’s relationship developed, she turned more and more entwined in his enterprise. Under Philippine regulation, the function of company secretary at a international firm should be stuffed by a Filipino. By the time Roy and Ryan Seiders confirmed up, Gloria had taken on that function at Outback, giving her the ability to evaluate and log out on the corporate’s monetary data. Her affect expanded additional when Ivan determined to purchase a house. Since foreigners could not purchase property, it could should be in Gloria’s title. So Ivan requested Malcolm to briefly switch his half of the corporate to Gloria, successfully padding her belongings so she might qualify for a mortgage.
The particulars of what occurred subsequent are murky. Over the subsequent six months, a complicated recreation of musical chairs ensued. In addition to Gloria’s lately acquired shares, three members of her household — her daughter, her future son-in-law, and her half-sister — have been awarded positions as dummy shareholders within the firm. In the method, Gloria went from proudly owning lower than 1% of Outback’s inventory to controlling a majority of the corporate.
In 2008, within the midst of all of the inventory reshuffling, Ivan and Gloria shocked their buddies when an atypical occasion was revealed to be their nuptials. After 9 years collectively, they have been eventually husband and spouse.
But a couple of weeks after the marriage, Outback’s fortunes took one other flip. Ivan evidently hadn’t identified concerning the inventory transfers till his accountant introduced them to his consideration — and he wasn’t joyful about it. On May 2, 2008, he wrote the Philippines Securities and Exchange Commission: “This is to tell you that GLORIA F. BROWN has resigned as Corporate Secretary.” Malcolm reclaimed his shares within the firm and his title as vp. The remaining dummy shares have been transferred to a few members of Malcolm’s prolonged household. Gloria was left with nothing in her personal title, aside from her joint belongings via marriage.
In late 2007, a couple of months earlier than Ivan and Gloria’s wedding ceremony, the Seiders brothers had returned to Angeles City, the place they spent 10 days at Outback’s headquarters. As monsoon rains pounded on the manufacturing facility roof, Ivan and Roy hustled forwards and backwards between the workplace and the manufacturing ground the place the employees would fabricate prototypes out of Bondo putty and fiberglass. “These guys are artists,” Roy says. “It was a ton of enjoyable.”
Ivan confirmed them how he had improved the design of his Downunder cooler. He had bulked up the froth insulation, given it a leak-proof drain plug, built-in the hinge to make it extra sturdy, and added a freezer-style gasket for a greater seal. Roy and Ryan included those self same concepts into the Tundra. They additionally borrowed the contours from Ivan’s line of fiberglass coolers and prolonged the hinge to stretch the total size of the again of the cooler. “For no matter cause, I simply favored that look,” Roy says.
Some of the outdated Icey-Tek options, together with the rope handles and tie-down slots on the bottom of the cooler, additionally made it into the brand new design. “That was an enormous deal,” Roy says. “Being in a position to strap your cooler down and nonetheless open and shut the lid.” All the tinkering reminded him of the initiatives he had labored on in his father’s workshop, however on a a lot bigger scale. “After 4 years being within the cooler enterprise, I had all these concepts constructed up in my head about what makes an ideal cooler,” Roy remembers. “I noticed this chance to construct a cooler from the bottom up.”
The collaboration additionally labored out nicely for Ivan. By the time the Tundras began coming out of their molds in April 2008, he was on the trail to monetary success. Outback, which employed some 150 staff, quickly hit $1.5 million in gross sales, with one other half million in belongings. “He was turning a nook and beginning to earn money,” Malcolm says.
On the afternoon of September 23, 2008, Ivan left work and climbed into his forest inexperienced Toyota Land Cruiser. The sky was hazy and rain droplets flecked in opposition to the windshield as Ivan crossed the two-lane Friendship Bridge and neared his turn-off to his house. Suddenly, a Honda bike zipped up alongside his left facet, as if to move. There have been two males on the bike, their faces hidden by helmets.
The rider in again raised a 45-caliber handgun and fired not less than 4 photographs via the window of Ivan’s Land Cruiser. The automobile veered off the street and rear-ended one other bike, sending its driver tumbling onto the bottom, earlier than slamming into the wall of the Serra Monte Lodge, an institution that rents rooms by the hour. Ivan slumped in his seat. Blood pooled in his mouth and soaked into the material of his plaid shirt.
Malcolm, who lived in the identical gated neighborhood as Ivan and Gloria, was at house when a buddy referred to as to say {that a} inexperienced Land Cruiser had been in an accident on the primary street. Malcolm rushed over to his brother’s home, however nobody answered the door. He was on the point of drive to the scene of the accident when Gloria appeared. Ivan had already been taken to the mortuary, she instructed him. Together, they drove off to see Ivan’s physique.
The subsequent morning, Malcolm acquired to the manufacturing facility at round seven. As vp, he felt he needed to assume the reins at Outback. He instructed the staff to go house till Ivan’s affairs have been sorted, and left.
But throughout the hour, Gloria arrived and introduced that she was in cost. She countermanded Malcolm’s determination: The manufacturing facility, she stated, would keep open. “I requested Gloria what gave her the proper to say this,” Malcolm stated in an announcement ready for authorized filings. Gloria responded that she was now the president and main shareholder.
That afternoon, after assembly along with his lawyer, Malcolm returned to the manufacturing facility along with his son and positioned a padlock on the manufacturing facility’s gate. But the subsequent time they got here again, the lock had been reduce. An armed guard pointed a gun at Malcolm and his son and ordered them to go away.
As Gloria and Malcolm battled for management of the corporate, manufacturing floor to a halt. Outback’s accounts have been frozen, and workers couldn’t be paid.
Gloria appealed to the financial institution to grant her full entry to the corporate’s funds. “My husband, Ivan Brown, had lengthy speculated on his destiny (he was brutally murdered by nonetheless unknown assailants),” she wrote. “He certainly made positive that the company’s papers are so as and that I can simply take cost of its operations. Unfortunately, greed and alternative prevailed over the thoughts of Mr. Malcolm Brown and his cohorts.” (Gloria and Outback didn’t reply to a number of requests for remark.)
Eight thousand miles away in Texas, the Seiders brothers had begun a frantic seek for different suppliers, hopping on planes and visiting different factories. Their enterprise had simply gotten off the bottom, and all of a sudden its whole future was in danger. But given their relationship with Ivan, they have been nonetheless hoping they may follow Outback.
“If the manufacturing facility can not provide quickly, Yeti will lose US market share and will probably be nearly unimaginable to get well,” they emailed Malcolm. “If this combat continues it would inevitably get tied up in Philippine courts for a lot of extra weeks if not months and subsequently all people loses. Could you assist us by briefly permitting the manufacturing facility to renew manufacturing whereas resolving possession?”
Malcolm was incensed. “Ivan was murdered for greed,” he replied. “I’ll proceed to combat for what he would have wished me to do… You guys are greater than welcome to search out different suppliers in your market if you want to take action.”
“We too have a robust feeling for locating justice for Ivan,” the brothers wrote again. “But additionally, persevering with the profitable manufacturing enterprise that he has began.”
“As tragic as Ivan’s loss of life was,” Roy Seiders stated, “impulsively we’re a a lot stronger firm.”
From the beginning, police thought of Ivan’s killing a textbook murder-for-hire. But with no homicide weapon or any forensic proof, they’d little to go on. The most promising lead got here after Malcolm provided a $20,000 reward for data resulting in an arrest.
A cigarette vendor got here ahead, claiming to have seen the set off man earlier than he put his helmet on. According to police, when the seller was proven a ebook of criminals often known as the “Rogue’s Gallery,” he picked out a Maoist guerrilla named Alvin Salas, suspected to be a member of a “gun-for-hire” gang. That October, the Northern Philippine Times reported that police had filed homicide prices in opposition to Salas — and Gloria.
“We have circumstantial proof in opposition to anyone whom we suspect to be the mastermind,” introduced Pierre Bucsit, the native police chief. “The seize of the suspected gunman will full our investigation towards arresting the creator of the crime.”
But the case rapidly fell aside. When a police investigator named Romeo Amarillo had first confirmed up on the manufacturing facility, he discovered Gloria to be defensive and uncooperative. But any hyperlink to her was purely circumstantial. Prosecutors finally dismissed the fees in opposition to Gloria as a result of inadequate proof. Until the police discovered Salas, whose connection to the crime was restricted to the one eyewitness, they’d nothing else to go on. That hope vanished in October 2014, when Salas was killed in a police shootout.
Whoever murdered Ivan, it is clear who benefited probably the most from his loss of life. Ivan did not have a will, which below Philippine regulation meant his property would possible be shared by Gloria and his two daughters from his first marriage. In a court docket submitting, Gloria wrote that Ivan’s shares have been being “settled amongst his heirs.” But Ivan’s daughter Clare instructed me that neither she nor her sister acquired something from their father’s property. “I acquired nothing,” she says.
Gloria additionally moved rapidly to take management of Ivan’s firm. Every week after he was killed, she submitted a doc to the securities fee claiming that an unscheduled assembly of Outback’s officers and shareholders had taken place in mid-August, somewhat over a month earlier than Ivan’s homicide. Malcolm, who was nonetheless listed as a board member, was not notified of the assembly. According to the doc, Ivan had given himself management of 80.8% of Outback’s inventory, and Gloria now owned 18%. That left Malcolm with simply 2,000 shares — a fraction of a p.c of the corporate. The new board, composed largely of Gloria’s relations, unanimously named her as president, and her daughter as vp.
Malcolm filed a criticism in opposition to Gloria with the prosecutor’s workplace, claiming she had solid the doc. Nathaniel Colobong, Ivan’s longtime accountant, is listed within the papers as the corporate’s exterior auditor. But he tells me that he was unaware of Ivan making any of the inventory transfers Gloria claims he made. In truth, he instructed investigators that Gloria had “began to get indignant along with her husband” after she had been stripped of her shares earlier that 12 months. But Colobong was unwilling to testify. “I used to be additionally afraid for my life,” he says.
Regulators accepted Gloria’s model of occasions, and the lead prosecutor within the forgery case finally declined to convey the fees in opposition to her. The related paperwork, he tells me, have been destroyed throughout a hurricane. According to Outback’s subsequent filings, Gloria now controls 99.6% of the corporate’s inventory.
For the primary 12 months after Ivan’s loss of life, Malcolm remained within the Philippines, protected across the clock by armed guards. Eventually he gave up the combat and returned to Australia. His greatest mistake, he tells me, was placing his religion within the Philippine justice system. “You and I come from international locations the place you get justice,” he says. “If I needed to do it over once more, I might have had her shot. I’d do the identical factor to her that she did to my brother.”
After Ivan’s homicide, a few of Outback’s shoppers sided with Malcolm and refused to do enterprise with the corporate. “We determined to not place any additional orders because of the rumors and uncertainty of coping with Gloria,” remembers Terry Tate, a former purchaser for Ray’s Outdoors, who had visited each Ivan and Gloria within the Philippines.
But the Seiders brothers continued to contract with Outback. Whatever they felt about Ivan’s homicide, they have been centered on doing what it took to maintain their firm alive. To get the Outback’s workers again to work, the brothers even pay as you go Gloria for his or her orders. Soon, model new Yeti Tundras have been as soon as once more being unloaded in Texas. “Never for a second did we expect Gloria was concerned in Ivan’s loss of life,” Roy tells me.
Other enterprise selections they made might have been born of disaster, however proved equally shrewd. To profit from their dwindling stock, Roy and Ryan bumped up the worth on their coolers. Remarkably, none of their consumers balked. Roy got here up with a pricing technique he referred to as “10x” — as in, charging 10 occasions what their opponents have been asking. Like Balenciaga sneakers and Sub-Zero fridges, the eye-popping costs of Yeti’s merchandise wound up making them extra — not much less — fascinating.
The brothers additionally discovered a US-based provider to make sure that their provide chain might by no means be held hostage once more. “As tragic as Ivan’s loss of life was, impulsively we’re a a lot stronger firm,” Roy defined on a looking podcast.
The success of the Tundra, together with Yeti’s viral advertising, helped flip the corporate right into a type of redneck Patagonia. Yeti Coolers went public in October 2018, and Roy and Ryan earned a whole lot of tens of millions of {dollars} after promoting most of their shares.
Yeti’s success has been good for Outback. The 12 months that Ivan was murdered, in accordance with the corporate’s monetary assertion, it had $1.9 million in gross sales. Ten years later, thanks largely to Yeti, its gross sales have been $9 million.
At Yeti’s headquarters, a convention room is called for Ivan Brown, to honor his contribution to the corporate. Every few years, Gloria or her representatives from Outback journey to Texas to satisfy with Yeti’s administration. But, previously, when Gloria has invited the Seiderses to return to the Philippines for a go to, they’ve politely declined. “They make their workers go,” their father Roger tells me. “But they do not go.”
Brendan Borrell is a contract journalist based mostly in Los Angeles.