The following is the total transcript of an interview with David Rubenstein, philanthropist and creator, on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” that aired on Dec. 29, 2024.
MAJOR GARRETT: David, it is nice to see you. Thanks for becoming a member of us.
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: My pleasure. Thank you for having me.
MAJOR GARRETT: You do not know this, however I’ve waged a sort of unsuccessful journalistic battle in opposition to the phrase unprecedented. My sense is, as disruptive as our present instances have been, we have had jarring and disruptive instances earlier than in American historical past. How would you evaluate, based mostly in your examine of the presidency, our unsettled instances now to unsettled instances previous?
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: Well, nothing is as unhealthy because the Civil War once we had 3% of our inhabitants killed and the preventing in Washington was so unhealthy that about 60 completely different instances members of Congress hit different members of Congress on the ground of the Congress. So we’re not fairly there but. Clearly, although, we’re going into some uncharted waters as a result of now we have a president coming again who had been president earlier than. That hadn’t occurred since Grover Cleveland was reelected in 1892 and Trump is- bought extra energy than I believe many individuals would have thought by the advantage of his victory dimension. In different phrases, he did not win the way in which that, to illustrate, Richard Nixon did in his second time period or Ronald Reagan in his second time period, however he is gained by sufficient so that folks really feel he is bought a mandate and definitely he feels he is bought a mandate. And I do assume he will act like he is bought a mandate. And Washington is bracing for what is going on to occur
MAJOR GARRETT: Related to that, earlier than the election outcomes had been identified, polls indicated fairly persistently that Trump supporters had been afraid if Harris would win, Harris supporters had been afraid if Trump would win. Based in your examine of this establishment, the presidency, are you able to recall a time the place that concern of an final result was as prevalent because it was main into this election?
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: Well, there’ve been a few instances when folks actually had been afraid that the following individual coming in that was the other celebration would actually harm the nation in some ways. Clearly, my former boss, Jimmy Carter, actually feared Ronald Reagan. He thought that Ronald Reagan was going to do- undo lots of the issues that Carter had completed. Obviously, Reagan gained by a landslide and you’ve got seen different instances when this simply occurred as effectively. So, for instance, when FDR gained the primary time, Herbert Hoover couldn’t imagine that this man, Herbert Hoover, had been such a distinguished American earlier than he was president. And whereas he was president, he had issues. But he was a really distinguished individual. He by no means took FDR significantly, and FDR did not actually take Hoover that significantly. In truth, he refused through the lengthy interval of the- of the- of the interval between the election and the inauguration. He refused to essentially meet with him, primarily, or met with him briefly. And they simply did not need something to do with one another.
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: Interestingly, in these days, the inauguration occurred about six months after the election. The election was in November and the inauguration was in March. A protracted time frame. It looks as if now we have got a most likely an excellent time frame, which is about three months or so.
MAJOR GARRETT: You talked about Herbert Hoover. He fascinates me as a result of going into the presidency, he was about as completed an American as there ever been on the world stage. And but he was overwhelmed by the job of the presidency.
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: That’s appropriate. Herbert Hoover had been very distinguished for his reduction efforts in Europe after World War 1. He was thought of an extremely intel– gifted individual. He was a fantastic Secretary of Commerce, and other people thought he must be President of the United States. He was President of the United States. But then he was frozen. He could not actually cope with the Great Depression when it arose, and he actually was pushed out of workplace overwhelmingly. And even after he misplaced, he saved attempting to get Roosevelt to hearken to him and say, we should always do that collectively as two presidents. But Roosevelt ignored that.
MAJOR GARRETT: You talked about Grover Cleveland. There’s not a chapter within the ebook about Grover Cleveland. Is there something that retroactively fascinates you in regards to the Cleveland Presidency now that Trump has returned to workplace? Or are you equally fascinated by the point wherein he was president, the Gilded Age?
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: Well, Grover Cleveland will not be that well-known to many individuals. In truth, one time there is a story about- where- that Tip O’Neill stated to Ronald Reagan, when he is giving me a tour of the- of the Capitol, he stated, that is the desk that was Grover Cleveland’s. And Reagan stated, oh I performed him in an image. And he stated, no, that was Grover Cleveland Alexander. But Grover Cleveland was a Democrat, former governor of New York, very effectively revered. But he misplaced the election in 1888 and so they got here again in 1892. Now, one of many issues we do not actually know is whether or not a president, when he has a second time period after he is been out of workplace, whether or not he’ll be more energizing, whether or not he’ll deliver higher folks, win, whether or not he’ll be extra skilled, for instance– And the second- most second phrases have issues.
Ronald Reagan sec- second time period, had issues. Bill Clinton’s had issues. Obviously Richard Nixon did, as a result of perhaps the folks get drained and so they’re not as sharp as they’re or the recent folks are available and so they’re not skilled. Now you are going to have a complete new administration coming in, a recent perspective while you’ve bought an skilled president. We simply do not know what the affect can be. Grover Cleveland’s second time period was fairly profitable and, you realize, perhaps Trump’s can be as effectively.
MAJOR GARRETT: One of the issues the nation struggled with this final 18 months or so was the collision of politics and the legislation. Do you assume there are any classes to be discovered from this conflict? And the politics that got here from a conflict of attempting to indict and take a look at somebody who had been President of the United States and was aspiring to that workplace once more?
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: I believe there’s a feeling amongst many individuals that it wasn’t a good suggestion to indict the president of the United States. I believe the trial in New York, the place Trump was convicted, I believe actually helped him in his election effort. I believe it emboldened a variety of his supporters who say the Justice Department – in that case, it wasn’t the Justice Department, it was the prosecutor in New York. But it’s actually politicizing the authorized system. And I believe there are various individuals who are- who’re Trump supporters who imagine that the indictments that got here out of the particular prosecutor, Jack Smith, had been actually political as effectively. And so I believe there’s each side really feel that the opposite aspect is absolutely speaking previous one another. The people who find themselves within the Justice Department now really feel that these indictments had been truthful and proper and have particular prosecutor and so forth. The Trump folks imagine they had been fully political. I hope that going ahead that the Justice Department will not be seen as political as a result of one of many strengths of this nation has been the rule of legislation. One of the explanations folks come to this nation is we’re seen as a spot the place has a rule of legislation. There’s the American dream. You can stand up and so forth. But folks aren’t prosecuted for his or her political opinions. And I hope that the Justice Department that is coming in now will proceed that custom. I notice many individuals on the opposite aspect would say, the Trump aspect would say that we’re simply going to do what what was completed to us. I hope that does not occur. I hope we mainly return to the rule of legislation. And all people feels that if there’s prosecutions, they’re actually legit and so they’re not due to political causes.
MAJOR GARRETT: Do you concern that this course of is undercut the nationwide religion in that system of justice?
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: Well, our system has been round for a few hundred years. It’s not going to disintegrate that rapidly. But I do hope that we are able to discover methods to deliver the nation collectively. Donald Trump can’t get reelected underneath our present legal guidelines. You might change the Constitution, however within the present legal guidelines, he cannot get reelected. And by the tip of his second time period, he could be,
you realize, 82, 83 years previous, presumably would not need to run once more anyway. So I believe that he has the flexibility to step again and say, I’m going to do what’s greatest for the nation. I’m going to marketing campaign a sure approach. I did marketing campaign a sure approach, however now I’m going to do sure issues for the nation. And I believe lots of people who are usually not Trump supporters would say, I hope he’ll take that perspective. I need to do what’s greatest for the nation. And now I haven’t got to fret about reelection. I’m actually going to do issues which can be greatest for the nation. And I’m assured they’ll do this.
MAJOR GARRETT: Based in your examine of the presidency, do you assume we charge presidents on their initiatives or exterior occasions that knock them off their initiatives?
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: Well, most presidents plan sure issues after which occasions come alongside and so they cannot predict them. I imply, Jimmy Carter didn’t predict the hostage takeover, and that basically, actually ruined his presidency, most likely prevented him from being reelected.
Most presidents will discover worldwide occasions will overcome what they anticipated, or typically home occasions. George W Bush had a Great Recession that he couldn’t have anticipated, and the financial system virtually collapsed. He could not have anticipated that.
MAJOR GARRETT: He additionally had 9/11.
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: Right, 9/11, he couldn’t-
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DAVID RUBENSTEIN: Nobody might have anticipated that.
MAJOR GARRETT: He got here in—
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MAJOR GARRETT: —to be a home president specializing in training and the financial system.
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: That’s appropriate. And then all of us bought into abroad wars in Afghanistan and Iraq that had been by no means anticipated. So I imagine that you just can’t predict what is going on to occur. And it’s a must to have good people who find themselves prepared to fret about what’s good for the nation. And they’ve a pacesetter who’s all the time targeted on what’s greatest for the nation, not what’s greatest for me, what’s greatest for the nation.
MAJOR GARRETT: Do you’ve got a president in thoughts who, based mostly in your examine, grew in your regard? And a President, in your thoughts, who, based mostly in your examine, bought extra diminished?
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: Harry Truman left workplace extraordinarily unpopular, very unpopular, and he was regarded as a- a inappropriate successor to the nice FDR. Now, due to books by David McCullough and different folks have written nice books about Truman, folks see him as one in all our nice presidents, as a result of post-World War II, he helped finish the warfare as a result of he dropped the atomic bomb, which many individuals say was a mistake. But I’d say many historians assume it was essential to keep away from—
MAJOR GARRETT: And he by no means doubted.
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: He by no means doubted. He by no means had self-doubt. Self-doubt was one- was not one in all his issues. He all the time believed it was the appropriate determination. But he additionally was liable for NATO, the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, and the CIA, which he created as effectively. All these items, he created—
MAJOR GARRETT: The recognition of Israel.
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: Yes, he acknowledged Israel though his secretary of state threatened to resign over it. George Marshall stated, I’ll resign over this, although he did not. And it was the State- your entire State Department was in opposition to the re- the popularity of Israel. So he was an individual who’s actually risen up. An individual who’s gone down, I’d say there are two which have gone down quite a bit. One is Andrew Jackson. Remember, Democrats used to say, we will have a Jefferson-Jackson Day dinner. You do not have that anymore as a result of Jackson is now broadly seen as being racist and really anti Native American. And he actually did many issues that I believe killed lots of people, notably in the- within the Native American group. So he is not likely effectively revered in the present day by students. Another individual I’d say is- is that, whose repute has gone down is Woodrow Wilson. Woodrow Wilson was the nice reformer after being president of Princeton. Two years later, he’s- he is governor of- of- of New Jersey, then president of the United States. However, he now’s broadly seen as having completed two issues that had been actually massive errors. One, he resegregated the federal workforce and had been built-in. Two, and this was very damaging, I believe, as effectively. He- he had a stroke with about 18 months to go. He could not actually do what he had completed earlier than. He hid that from the general public and his spouse primarily turned a shadow president. She was actually making selections and deciding issues that perhaps he ought to have determined. And the general public did not know this, and that was a giant downside.
MAJOR GARRETT: You usually ask biographers what query they’d most need to pose to the topic of their presidential biography. Let me develop on that. If you would go to dinner with any president, who would it not be, and what query would you need to ensure you bought answered?
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: Without doubt, the best president and the best American, ever, is Abraham Lincoln. He was an individual who was not an abolitionist, however finally got here to free the slaves by the Emancipation Proclamation. And he additionally gained the Civil War, although many individuals within the North did not actually need to battle the Civil War. They say, let the South go. We’ll have our personal nation. Lincoln stated, no, we will maintain the union collectively. And he did that. We misplaced 3% of our inhabitants within the warfare, however he saved the union collectively, and I believe, made the United States a stronger nation consequently. We ended slavery finally due to the thirteenth Amendment. But most significantly, he did it with humility. He did not run round saying, look, I simply gained the Civil War. I simply did the Gettysburg Address. Isn’t that a fantastic speech? He did not do this. He did not brag about it. He was very humble. And I believe he had a humorousness and a way of perspective that could be a actually good factor for presidents. So he could be far the individual I’d need to have dinner with. And I wish to ask him, do you’ve got any regrets about not having freed the slaves earlier? Do you’ve got any regrets about not eliminating a few of your generals earlier, who weren’t superb, and but he waited a few years earlier than he bought Ulysses S. Grant in. Grant can also be an individual I ought to point out. He had essentially the most wonderful meteoric rise of virtually anyone who’s develop into president. He was promoting firewood on the streets of St. Louis in 1860. The warfare breaks out in 1861, roughly, and eight years later, he is president of the United States. I imply, it is simply wonderful.
MAJOR GARRETT: You talked about humility. George W. Bush instructed you in your interview with him that that was crucial attribute a president can possess. I’ve learn different phrases which can be necessary for presidents: braveness, compassion, curiosity, decisiveness. Based in your examine, what would you say is crucial?
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: I believe crucial factor is having a perspective that you just actually need to do what’s proper for the American folks. You’re not attempting to generate income. You’re not attempting to feather your personal nest. You’re not attempting to fret about historical past. You’re simply attempting to do what’s greatest for the American folks. The qualities that I like in leaders are people who find themselves fairly clever, however not geniuses, you do not should be a genius to be a fantastic president. People who’re prepared to hearken to different folks. People which have some humility. People which can be extremely moral. Those are the qualities that I believe nice leaders have in any space. And actually president of the United States. And apparently, the United States has had a restricted variety of folks to function president. 47 folks served as president of the United States. But we have had a variety of very, very gifted folks that haven’t served as president of the United States. Do we actually get the most effective folks to serve or not? I believe no nation will get completely the most effective folks in its inhabitants to all the time serve, as a result of being president is an advanced factor. Great geniuses might not need to be president of the United States. Great leaders might say, I’d fairly do one thing at a college or a basis or an organization. I do not need to actually be any individual the political constraints {that a} president has. But for- general, we have gotten some fairly gifted individuals who’ve served as president of the United States, and we have been lucky. Lincoln, Washington, FDR, Teddy Roosevelt, Jefferson, and modern-day presidents, Eisenhower, amongst others, have had some actually nice attributes, and the nation’s good, and I believe, higher off for having had good folks serve. And one in all my considerations sooner or later is that as a result of it is develop into so political in Washington typically and so they fight- infighting has been so intense, that I’m unsure as many good folks need to stand up and run for president sooner or later as we have seen prior to now.
MAJOR GARRETT: Picking up on that, do you’ve got a way of which system has produced higher presidents: the celebration system, that means the bosses, or the first system wherein voters are in cost?
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: Well, the first system is one which we might say is nice as a result of all people has an opportunity to vote. And the backroom system that we had years in the past is not so fantastic. But the backroom system did produce some fairly good folks, too. So I do not know that there is anybody that is higher than the opposite. But I do assume that when you’ve got extra transparency about who must be president and who’s working and who’s getting cash from folks, I believe that is most likely an excellent factor. Transparency typically is a greater factor than- than having issues be obfuscated.
MAJOR GARRETT: You talked about in your very first reply, the Civil War, the best time of testing in our nation’s historical past. You do not should be very aggressive on-line to seek out informal discuss amongst Americans about one other civil warfare. They bandy it about with some frequency. How nervous are you about that? And do you assume the mere dialogue of it creates the potential of an inevitability?
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: Well, I believe there was dialogue. Some folks say the purple states and the blue states ought to separate, however I do not assume that is real looking or actually going to occur. I believe the nation realizes that we’re the strongest energy on the planet economically, militarily, politically, culturally, and half as a result of a rustic’s bought a sufficiently big inhabitants and half as a result of now we have a variety of attributes in purple and blue states. I do not assume it is real looking. People discuss that, however I do not assume that is going to occur. The nation will not be going to be cut up up the way in which it was within the Civil War. I simply do not see that as being real looking or fascinating.
MAJOR GARRETT: Is there any doubt in your thoughts that presidents, all presidents, should guard in opposition to bitterness, anger, resentment, a few of the issues that fueled their pursuit of the workplace within the first place? Meaning as soon as they bought there, they should set these issues apart, though they had been a part of the engine?
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: Everybody goes by life and has ups and downs, and also you get a variety of bitterness and also you get resentment of individuals. People which can be good presidents hopefully stand up above that. Lots of people criticize Abraham Lincoln for a lot of, many issues. They referred to as him all types of horrible names. And they did say he was barely human. And—
MAJOR GARRETT: Called him a gorilla.
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: Yes. And he rose above that. And I believe it’s a must to rise above it. And hopefully, when you do not have to fret about politics anymore, in a second time period, for instance, you possibly can rise above all of the considerations you have had. Resentment is- is a superb factor in life for a few minutes, after which it’s best to recover from it. And you realize, I’m resenting some issues infrequently and I attempt to recover from it. When you are president of the United States, in case you carry your resentments too lengthy, it will probably have an effect on different folks adversely. So I believe within the case of President Trump, for instance, clearly he has some resentments. But I believe general, I imagine he will rise above that in his second time period.
MAJOR GARRETT: Is Richard Nixon, which you in your ebook describe as a tragic determine, virtually a Shakespearean- like tragic determine, the most-available cautionary story about resentments and the presidency?
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: Richard Nixon, as I stated within the book- if solely Shakespeare had been alive to jot down about Richard Nixon, it might have been an exquisite tragedy. Here’s a person who’s actually gifted, very good. He stumbles working for president in 1960, barely loses, loses for 1962 within the governorship of California and comes again and is elected in 1968 in opposition to all the chances. But he resented the folks that regarded down on him. He resented the liberals. He resented the ‘Ivy Leaguers,’ as he would name them. And he actually, I believe, took these resentments and he perpetuated them by his chief of employees, Bob Haldeman, and different folks. And the end result was a horrible factor referred to as Watergate. I believe Richard Nixon, had he not had Watergate, I believe he would have gone down as a extremely spectacular president due to the opening to China, issues he did on the surroundings. But Watergate can be what he is remembered for.
Sadly, it did not should occur. And truly it – amazingly, that he did not have the supporters that Donald Trump has on Capitol Hill. For instance, Donald Trump has monumental help amongst his Republicans on Capitol Hill. Richard Nixon actually did not have that sort of help. Had Richard Nixon burned the tapes earlier than they had been subpoenaed, I think he would have stayed in workplace, as a result of no one would have believed what was within the tapes. And he most likely would have been inside his authorized proper to eliminate these tapes as a result of they weren’t subpoenaed at the moment. And for nationwide safety causes, he might have stated, ‘I’ve bought to destroy them.’ But he did not imagine that the Supreme Court would ever take away the tapes from him. And he all the time was utilizing them, I imagine, to assist write his- his memoirs.
MAJOR GARRETT: Was he the least moral president in our historical past?
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: I do not assume there’s- that is straightforward to say as a result of some presidents had, uh, points that we do not learn about as a lot. For instance, Warren Harding. Warren Harding was broadly seen as having tolerated a variety of scandals in his administration. Ulysses S. Grant, whereas an sincere man, tolerated a variety of unethical habits. He simply–
MAJOR GARRETT: Of his subordinates and associates.
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: Yeah. So I do not know that- Grant was sincere himself, however he was not- he was too trusting of sure folks in his administration. Harding was broadly thought to not be essentially the most sincere of politicians. Richard Nixon, um, wasn’t an individual who was attempting to generate income for himself essentially. He wasn’t grafting himself into- into enterprise offers and so forth. But I believe he had some moral failings.
MAJOR GARRETT: You labored on the Carter marketing campaign and inside the Carter White House. How did that inform your curiosity about different presidents, and did it harden or soften your sense of how tough the job is?
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: Well, while you work within the White House as I did, after I was 27, you notice what an unbelievable job it’s and the way highly effective the place may very well be. You additionally acknowledge that you just make a mistake, you realize, the entire world is aware of about it. So I started to be intellectually curious in regards to the presidency after I labored there, however I used to be desirous about it earlier than. I’d all the time been within the presidency. But while you work within the White House and also you see a president up shut, it does are likely to preserve you curious about it. And I’ve lived in Washington ever since I left the White House. And so I’ve all the time been desirous about assembly presidents, speaking to presidents. And I do quite a bit to sort of help presidential memorials and monuments and so forth. And so it is simply been part of my life that I believe may be very pleasing to me.
MAJOR GARRETT: You’ve talked to biographers and presidents. Who’s extra candid?
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: Biographers are most likely going to be extra candid for positive. But presidents, after they get to the latter levels of their life and so they can look again with some dispassionate views on issues, I believe they are often sincere. I believe Bill Clinton has a ebook out now about his post-presidency, and I believe he is fairly sincere about his failings and a few of his errors that he made. I believe Jimmy Carter, earlier than he was- lack of ability, lack of ability to speak actually proper now, he cannot actually talk. But I believe he acknowledged a few of his failings after he left workplace and so forth. I believe when you’ve got perspective of being out of workplace for ten years, 20 years, 30 years, it makes you rather more open to being sincere about what actually occurred.
MAJOR GARRETT: Presidents proper after they go away are fairly defensive.
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: Of course, as a result of when presidents go away straight away, they’re nonetheless attempting to defend their picture. And I believe it is an important factor for them. And bear in mind, now we have a novel system. No different nation on the planet perpetuates their former leaders in fairly the way in which we do. We have massive presidential libraries and different issues like that. And these are a approach for our leaders to sort of perpetuate their picture. And I do not assume it is a horrible factor, however I- I do assume we should always acknowledge you are going to take 10 or 20 years earlier than any individual has a perspective that can be actually sincere about how they carried out.
MAJOR GARRETT: President Trump instructed you it is a lonely job to be president, however Trump’s a loner. Everyone is aware of that. He says that about himself. And as your ebook reveals and different books have, the presidential story is stuffed with very shut advisers, associates, confidants. Do you regard the presidency as lonely a job as Trump described?
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: People have usually stated it is the loneliest job on the planet. That could also be an exaggeration, however it’s a really lonely job as a result of in the long run, you are making the ultimate determination. As Harry Truman stated, ‘The buck stops right here.’ When you make that closing determination, you possibly can’t actually say, ‘Well, any individual else made it for me,’ or ‘I actually did not make that call. My employees did it.’ You did it. And it’s a must to, in the long run, sit down and take into consideration what you are going to really need the nation to do. And it’s a must to make that call. It’s a really lonely course of.
MAJOR GARRETT: Does the job change the president or does the president change the job?
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: I believe the job modifications the president greater than the president modifications the job, since you’ve bought a big federal paperwork, a number of million workers. You’ve bought a big navy arsenal you have to oversee as effectively. And you have bought the world occasions that are- which can be across the globe which can be going to vary issues. So I believe the presidents, after they are available, they’ve nice plans and so they have the most effective intentions, however typically it is simply very laborious to get these items completed.
MAJOR GARRETT: The ebook’s referred to as ‘The Highest Calling.’ Is the presidency the very best calling? Some may argue that an age defining innovation is a better calling, or being a captain of trade is a better calling, or simply being a easy CEO using tens of hundreds of individuals is a better calling. Why is it the very best calling?
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: The cause I referred to as it the very best calling (and I had traditionally stated the non-public fairness, my occupation, was the very best calling, however that was extra tongue-in-cheek) is that this: when Woodrow Wilson went to Paris to assist finish World War One, he was cheered by lots of and lots of of hundreds of Parisians, and other people for the primary time realized crucial individual within the United States, on the planet actually, is the president of the United States. And that is been true virtually since Wilson got here again from Paris. When FDR was working the world actually successfully as a result of he was president of the United States throughout World War Two, he was crucial individual on the planet, for positive. And I believe ever since then, due to the financial, navy, political energy of the United States, whoever is the chief of the United States is nearly actually essentially the most highly effective individual on the planet and pursuing what I’d name the very best calling, as a result of you possibly can have an effect on the lives, lives of individuals a lot extra considerably as president of the United States than some other job on the planet.
MAJOR GARRETT: Last query: What makes a president’s legacy, the presidency or the individuals that president locations on the Supreme Court?
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: Well the Supreme Court justices dwell 10, 20, 30, 40 years after a president. So they do have a big effect. But in the long run, I believe what the president does along with his personal actions, versus placing folks on the court docket, might be going to be his largest legacy or her largest legacy sooner or later. There’s little question, although, that some justices on the court docket have been there for a very long time, and so they actually have formed coverage in ways in which folks could not have anticipated after they went on the court docket. But I believe the president of the United States, actually what he does when he is president of the United States, not simply the appointments, however what he is completed when it comes to insurance policies he is applied and pursued might be the largest legacy.
MAJOR GARRETT: Thank you very a lot.
DAVID RUBENSTEIN: My pleasure. Thank you.
